The Seagraves Family, The California branch: who we are and where we came from.: The first Segrave to move to Ireland is....

Thursday, March 31, 2005

The first Segrave to move to Ireland is....

John Segrave son of I believe Thomas de Segrave of the baron line, and one of the lesser son who never was in line to recieve the title(darn the luck).

John Segrave moved to Limerick Ireland, and married Jennet Dungan in 1500. Jennet was from a family of Earls of limerick Ireland. John and Jennet's children inherited land and title through her.

Sorry this is all I have on them.

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Anonymous said...: My favorite reference source on the English and Irish Segrave families is "The Segrave Family, 1066 to 1935" by Charles W. Segrave, published by Novello & Co., London, 1936. It is rare by worthy of any family historian's library.
Charles begins with Thomas de Segrave, the first recorded member of the family, listed in the Domesday Book "as part owner of Segrave in Leicestershire" and continues down the English generations to include the noble lords and barons through Baron Nicholas de Segrave (1238-1295) and beyond. Baron Nicholas's 4th son, Sir Peter de Segrave (1264-1330) is said to be the man "From whom are descended the Irish Segraves." In rebellion against the throne during the early 1300s "in 1320, he is sent to Ireland by the King." Charles then traces the line through Peter's son, John, and John's son, Richard (1358-1427). The genealogical chart of both branches (English and Irish) carries on down naturally through the author, Charles, and various collateral Segrave lines, focusing on the Irish descendants of Sir Peter.
It is not my intent to reproduce the entire book in this comment, just to point out the longer history of the Seagraves family in England and Ireland.
My website: http://www.theseagravesfamilyinamerica.com has a bit more that might be of interest.
Jim Seagraves; 1:03 PM

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The surname of SEAGRAVES was a locational name 'of Seagrove' a spot in County Leicestershire. Following the crusades in Europe in the 11th, 12th and 13th centuries, a need was felt for a family name to replace the one given at birth, or in addition to it. This was recognized by those of noble birth, and particularly by those who went on the Crusades, as it added prestige and practical advantage to their status. At first the coat of arms was a practical matter which served a function on the battlefield and in tournaments. With his helmet covering his face, and armour encasing the knight from head to foot, the only means of identification for his followers, was the insignia painted on his shield, and embroidered on his surcoat, the draped and flowing garment worn over the armour. Local names usually denoted where a man held his land, and indicated where he actually lived. Early records mention Thomas de Segraua, 1180, County Leicestershire. William Seagrave was documented in County Notttingham in the year 1300. Edward Segrave of Yorkshire, was listed in the Yorkshire Poll Tax of 1379. The name is also spelt Seagrief, Seagrove and Seagrave. In many parts of central and western Europe, hereditary surnames began to become fixed at around the 12th century, and have developed and changed slowly over the years. As society became more complex, and such matters as the management of tenure, and in particular the collection of taxes were delegated to special functionaries, it became imperative to distinguish a more complex system of nomenclature to differentiate one individual from another. The origin of badges and emblems, are traced to the earliest times, although, Heraldry, in fact, cannot be traced later than the 12th century, or at furthest the 11th century. At first armorial bearings were probably like surnames and assumed by each warrior at his free will and pleasure, his object being to distinguish himself from others. It has long been a matter of doubt when bearing Coats of Arms first became hereditary. It is known that in the reign of Henry V (1413-1422), a proclamation was issued, prohibiting the use of heraldic ensigns to all who could not show an original and valid right, except those 'who had borne arms at Agincourt'. The College of Arms (founded in 1483) is the Royal corporation of heralds who record proved pedigrees and grant armorial bearings.